Re: Swap

[J.A. Magallon]

On 20011118 James A Sutherland wrote:
>On Sunday 18 November 2001 9:12 pm, war wrote:
>> It is amazing that I could run all of that stuff, because:
>>
>> When I have swap on, and if I run all of those programs, 200-400MB of
>> swap is used.
>
>Yep. There's a reason for that: the kernel is *ALWAYS* able to swap pages out 
>to disk - even without "swap space". Disabling swapspace simply forces the 
>kernel to swap out more code, since it cannot swap out any data.
>

Sure ??? Where ?? What disk space uses it to swap pages to ?

>(This is why you can still get "disk thrashing" without any swap - in fact, 
>it's more likely in this case than it is with some swap added - you are just 
>forcing your binaries to take more of the swapping load instead.)
>

You get thrashing because you don have anything cached. So you can get a point
(fill all your space with apps and data) where each file read is _REALLY_ a
disk read, not just a transfer from cache (that is what usually happens).

>
>So: with swapspace, the kernel swaps out a few hundred Mb of unused data, to 
>make room for more code. Without it, the kernel is forced to swap out code 
>pages instead. The big news here is...?
>

You swap out pages, not data or code. Kernel does not care if the page contains
code or data. Try (on a swap enabled box) this: open mozilla or staroffice (a
big gui app), let it open and don't use it, fill your ram with other apps and
try to pull down a menu from mozilla. It has an unusual delay, the time to get
mozilla CODE pages back from swap. That is why a system with no swap is more
responsive.

Yes, a box without swap runs faster, but if you *don't do anything* with it. The test
shown in previous mails had a ton of apps opened *doing nothing*. Try do do
a grep several times on the kernel source tree for example in that scenario.
Or a kernel build. They will be dog slow (all the tries). Try the same on
a box with swap, the second time much things are cached and it flies.

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