Perhaps the reason David Miller is the network stack maintainer is that
he can see things that you can't see? The onus is on you (as proposer)
to show _him_ that a change is worthwhile, not the other way round.
Don't be confused into thinking this is some sort of democracy.
> So far it amounts to 1) David doesn't like it, 2) David doesn't see a
> need for it, or can see other less adequate methods of approximating
> the same effect, and 3) David suspects that it will effect the
> performance of all users to provide a limited gain for some
> applications.
Yup. What you've left out is:
4)David has demonstrated that he knows his stuff by high-quality work
over a long period of time
5)You haven't.
6)Because he is the network maintainer you need to convince him and you
haven't done so.
> 'Reputation capital' is earned. I would like to see it 'earned' in
> practice given a real requirement from a real developer on a real
> world class application.
>
> Statements such as 'the most important thing I do is say no', don't
> convince me that a reputation is deserved. The extreme of this is that
> an automaton could say no to everything.
Bollocks. Its plainly ridiculous to impugne David Miller and imply his
reputation isn't earned. You or I or your straw automaton could say
"no", but it doesn't mean anyone will listen.
Furthermore, I would propose that the Linux TCP/IP networking stack is "world
class" and has earned David Miller (and others) a fair bit of "reputation
capital", and that's why he (and not you or I) is where he is.
> Yes, I might be testing David... is it fair? Well, the requirement was
> fair, so how could it not be fair?
>
> I (and Bill) are just asking for some logic to show us where we are
> wrong. Linus can pull the "I'm god, and that's that" gig. Fine. How
> far does the godhead extend? Who else can pull this gig?
Show why it should be in the main tree and not just a debugging patch.
> I am waiting in anticipation to be shown the error of my ways using
> proper logic and iron clad reasoning... :-)
I think its more like Dave M et al are waiting for someone to show the
slightest bit of evidence to say this isn't better off as just a
debugging patch rather than just waving hands and talking bollocks.
Sean
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